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question.gif posted on 8/14/2015 at 10:05 AM
Need help. Which one is right?


Both the oak and the maple leaf can...

or

Both the oak and the maple leaves can...

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[*] posted on 8/14/2015 at 01:36 PM


Just a hunch, but I'd think it'd depend on whether you use a single leaf or multiples for the project. If more than one, the second. I think they both sound okay, though, respectively.



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[*] posted on 8/14/2015 at 01:37 PM


And if you are speaking generally, maybe "Both oak and maple leaves are..."


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[*] posted on 8/14/2015 at 02:11 PM


It's an article with two mini tutes. One of each type of leaf. Since they each have a title with the word leaf and since each pattern is for one leaf, I will use leaf. Thanks for your help.



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[*] posted on 8/14/2015 at 05:36 PM


It's not something called 'maple leaf', right? You're referring to actual leaves?

If so, since you're using the singular article 'the', I have to ask if you're referring to only two leaves? Do you mean JUST one oak leaf and JUST one maple leaf? If so, then it's leaf. If you mean the possibility of using multiple oak or maple leaves, then you use the plural.








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[*] posted on 8/15/2015 at 03:01 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Cyndee  
Both the oak and the maple leaf can...

or

Both the oak and the maple leaves can...

Thanks





Definite articles. Tricky bastards. General rule is don't use the with uncountable nouns.


Example. Which is correct:

Milk is often added to tea.
Milk is often added to the tea.
The milk is often added to tea.
The milk is often added to the tea.


Why?


Both:
The oak and maple leaf can ...
The oak and the maple leaves can...

seem correct in that context because they are both correct.



What if I were to ask you this:

A leaf from an oak tree, and the leaves from a maple, can ...
A leaf from an oak, and a maple, can ...
An oak tree and a maple leaf can...
Both an oak and maple leaf can ...
Oak and maple leaves can...


Which is correct? Why?


Nouns in English are preceded by the definite article the
when the narrator believes the listener to already know what is
being referred to.


The oak and maple leaf can ...
The oak and the maple leaves can...

...are part of something still unknown, and, so,
neither are correct, being unknown to the reader.

Hint:

Michy: ' ...If you mean the possibility of using multiple oak or maple leaves, then you use the plural.'




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[*] posted on 8/15/2015 at 12:07 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Michy  
It's not something called 'maple leaf', right? You're referring to actual leaves?

If so, since you're using the singular article 'the', I have to ask if you're referring to only two leaves? Do you mean JUST one oak leaf and JUST one maple leaf? If so, then it's leaf. If you mean the possibility of using multiple oak or maple leaves, then you use the plural.







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